Note: This essay is intended to be read in conjunction with “The Coming Great Transition v 2.0” a few terms like “pistis network, coherence and society of scarcity are lifted directly from there.
Jordan, you are describing the recreation of the guild system. It solves for skill transmission, capital access and communal reputation, all anchored in a transcendental real. What you imply but do not elaborate is a neo-scholastic Catholic nominalism. That's your pistis infrastructure. This person, in this community, with this reputation, anchored in the local interface of a distributed nominalist church ontology.
I am working on a somewhat similar take looking at modernity as a 300 year universalist deviation, now coming to an end, in the ancient battle between universalia and nominalia. Your Divine Economy is one aspect of the meta-level nominalist correction the moderns will experience as the dissolution of their coordinate system.
I haven't seen how the Church is any less corrupt than government or corporations. And which Church is "The Church?"
I say what's needed is a shift in consciousness away from greed and power before your system, or any other positive one can work. We are currently witnessing a war on consciousness that wants us to deny non-duality and non-localization of consciousness and instead take up transhumanism. This is one foreseeable AI route.
Perhaps you've considered indigenous shamanistic groups here, and how atheists might fit in?
There’s an old preacher riff about how it started in a garden, but it ends in a garden city. There’s been alot of garden energy as of late and I appreciate you working on the city-side.
Sidenote: In your first conversation with Grey, you used the term “Joshua Generation” for my generation. I realized last night that the Joshua Scroll is from the Bronze Age Collapse era and your statement might just be more true than true.
This makes sense but with one potentially fatal blind spot — from latest stats, “the church” as an institution does not enjoy the pistis of young women. Sexual predators, coverups, misogyny, and general toxic anti-woman culture. Meanwhile, women are often the fabric of the non-hierarchical divine economy. That trajectory undermines the pistis assumption. When “the church” becomes more than welcoming but truly nourishing to young women—following in the footsteps of Jesus who saw and empowered women, it could work.
A very thought-provoking couple of essays, thank you.
1st question, which church? There are many, like the Blue church you had previously described.
2nd, ironically, as a long-time Window Cleaner and entrepreneur myself, I would ask: what happens when so many enter the window-cleaning space that over-competition drives prices down to barely profitable levels? Then that ROI is not great for that capital investment, and they can't afford their debt service.
3rd, I think the question is how do we work together? Which I've found the most difficult hurdle. I've been investigating worker-owned cooperatives that could possibly solve this problem, but getting lots of sole proprietors to come together is nearly impossible.
Some of the thoughts seem to fit the local church, and some seem to fit the universal church. I think it is worth calling out which is which, because they are very different. There is existing trust in a healthy small community, but unfortunately it seems that the larger the institution, the less the trust that can, and does exist.
Related to trust, I think the Linked-In model of degrees of separation would be useful. I don't know you, but if we share a common friend who we both trust, then it greatly reduces the risk of you and I trusting each other.
A couple of questions... if plurality is our strength, might there be value in developing a more explicit framework for holding different traditions in tensional integrity while orienting toward shared coordination goals?
At the individual level, such orientation can remain a process of discovering what works and is most truthful and resonant. But at civilizational scale the bar is set high (especially given timeline pressures) if what's required is a way of life that grounds meaning beyond culture while still enabling deep cooperation across traditions.
The proposal appears to develop intra-tradition coherence with sophistication, but civilizational scale coordination may require both: coherence within traditions and structural integration across them. The exclusivity that makes the Church's pistis infrastructure powerful may be the same feature that makes scaling to inter-tradition coordination difficult. Does the architecture have a sort of fractal scalability layer, a mechanism for maintaining coherence as it expands across traditions with genuine difference?
A divine economy that achieves critical mass within the Church before developing inter-tradition infrastructure could become the dominant attractor in its niche, yet remain structurally constrained in addressing the broader civilizational coordination challenge the metacrisis requires.
I've been exploring adjacent questions recently. Would welcome your perspective if it resonates.
Fascinating essays. The church as convener. Do you mean something different than what we think of as a church? After all, there are many different religions out there, atheists, etc. Presumably there would be multiple trust networks (churches) that interact, and you're not envisioning a one world religion.
We live in a fallen world. How does the system you describe respond to sociopaths? Will they be able to game the system by feigning trust or trustworthiness? How is what you're describing not a utopia?
Hey, I'm working on this same thing, even down to the detail of a network of churches supporting a regenerative intention economy. Maybe there's some room for collaboration. Here's a recent post on the topic.
I also think that at the trust level, and maybe this is implied, are old (ancient) sacred rituals ie baptism and communion tied to vows and worship of a covenant body become embodied, embedded, enacted, and extended relational substrates underneath the divine economic strata. The ligature/liturgy that binds and cultivates the culture. And ye thickness of these base strata helps thicken the covenantal oikos, pistis and horkas
Also this is a thesis on sacramental ontology - and for divine economy to work we need to reclaim and rediscover the category of sacred (nod to JV) and how to embody this stance and aim, and returning to the sacred in Christianity in a very real way means a return to a sacramental reality. Vibes and voluntary association are not strong enough to undergird the divine economy.
Yes but how do we address the murderous competition still in the world as we embark on this transition. How do we address the flesh-driven economy of scarcity of prideful glory that drives the human heart or how can we train AI to be the goalie to keep out that predatory pride? Especially if it comes from inside of us!
After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. (Matthew 6:9-13 KJV)
For Logos, and Christos, and Telos, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen (Romans 11:36 KJV).
The Language of The Universe is Logos.
John 1:1 In the beginning was Logos, and Logos was with God, and Logos was God.
Christopher M. Langan, living god.
Reality is a language that is talking to itself about itself, hology.org μ
Jordan, you are describing the recreation of the guild system. It solves for skill transmission, capital access and communal reputation, all anchored in a transcendental real. What you imply but do not elaborate is a neo-scholastic Catholic nominalism. That's your pistis infrastructure. This person, in this community, with this reputation, anchored in the local interface of a distributed nominalist church ontology.
I am working on a somewhat similar take looking at modernity as a 300 year universalist deviation, now coming to an end, in the ancient battle between universalia and nominalia. Your Divine Economy is one aspect of the meta-level nominalist correction the moderns will experience as the dissolution of their coordinate system.
I haven't seen how the Church is any less corrupt than government or corporations. And which Church is "The Church?"
I say what's needed is a shift in consciousness away from greed and power before your system, or any other positive one can work. We are currently witnessing a war on consciousness that wants us to deny non-duality and non-localization of consciousness and instead take up transhumanism. This is one foreseeable AI route.
Perhaps you've considered indigenous shamanistic groups here, and how atheists might fit in?
There’s an old preacher riff about how it started in a garden, but it ends in a garden city. There’s been alot of garden energy as of late and I appreciate you working on the city-side.
Sidenote: In your first conversation with Grey, you used the term “Joshua Generation” for my generation. I realized last night that the Joshua Scroll is from the Bronze Age Collapse era and your statement might just be more true than true.
Fascinating about the Joshua scroll, and I second the gratitude for Jordan’s work on the city-side.
To be clear, that is my position… as of recently… not a scholarly consensus lol.
This makes sense but with one potentially fatal blind spot — from latest stats, “the church” as an institution does not enjoy the pistis of young women. Sexual predators, coverups, misogyny, and general toxic anti-woman culture. Meanwhile, women are often the fabric of the non-hierarchical divine economy. That trajectory undermines the pistis assumption. When “the church” becomes more than welcoming but truly nourishing to young women—following in the footsteps of Jesus who saw and empowered women, it could work.
Not sure what you mean unless you aren't happy that churches aren't pushing feminists ideals. Most churches are disproportionately women.
A very thought-provoking couple of essays, thank you.
1st question, which church? There are many, like the Blue church you had previously described.
2nd, ironically, as a long-time Window Cleaner and entrepreneur myself, I would ask: what happens when so many enter the window-cleaning space that over-competition drives prices down to barely profitable levels? Then that ROI is not great for that capital investment, and they can't afford their debt service.
3rd, I think the question is how do we work together? Which I've found the most difficult hurdle. I've been investigating worker-owned cooperatives that could possibly solve this problem, but getting lots of sole proprietors to come together is nearly impossible.
Some of the thoughts seem to fit the local church, and some seem to fit the universal church. I think it is worth calling out which is which, because they are very different. There is existing trust in a healthy small community, but unfortunately it seems that the larger the institution, the less the trust that can, and does exist.
Related to trust, I think the Linked-In model of degrees of separation would be useful. I don't know you, but if we share a common friend who we both trust, then it greatly reduces the risk of you and I trusting each other.
Pioneer work as usual, Jordan.
A couple of questions... if plurality is our strength, might there be value in developing a more explicit framework for holding different traditions in tensional integrity while orienting toward shared coordination goals?
At the individual level, such orientation can remain a process of discovering what works and is most truthful and resonant. But at civilizational scale the bar is set high (especially given timeline pressures) if what's required is a way of life that grounds meaning beyond culture while still enabling deep cooperation across traditions.
The proposal appears to develop intra-tradition coherence with sophistication, but civilizational scale coordination may require both: coherence within traditions and structural integration across them. The exclusivity that makes the Church's pistis infrastructure powerful may be the same feature that makes scaling to inter-tradition coordination difficult. Does the architecture have a sort of fractal scalability layer, a mechanism for maintaining coherence as it expands across traditions with genuine difference?
A divine economy that achieves critical mass within the Church before developing inter-tradition infrastructure could become the dominant attractor in its niche, yet remain structurally constrained in addressing the broader civilizational coordination challenge the metacrisis requires.
I've been exploring adjacent questions recently. Would welcome your perspective if it resonates.
https://thesilentrevolution.substack.com/p/toward-a-participatory-panentheism
Fascinating essays. The church as convener. Do you mean something different than what we think of as a church? After all, there are many different religions out there, atheists, etc. Presumably there would be multiple trust networks (churches) that interact, and you're not envisioning a one world religion.
We live in a fallen world. How does the system you describe respond to sociopaths? Will they be able to game the system by feigning trust or trustworthiness? How is what you're describing not a utopia?
Hey, I'm working on this same thing, even down to the detail of a network of churches supporting a regenerative intention economy. Maybe there's some room for collaboration. Here's a recent post on the topic.
https://aeonmyths.substack.com/p/gene-editing-a-collective-consciousness?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=2fqovh
Great presentation!
? Is this new paradigm facilitated by fractional debt-interest fiat, managed and manipulated by a central bank?
I also think that at the trust level, and maybe this is implied, are old (ancient) sacred rituals ie baptism and communion tied to vows and worship of a covenant body become embodied, embedded, enacted, and extended relational substrates underneath the divine economic strata. The ligature/liturgy that binds and cultivates the culture. And ye thickness of these base strata helps thicken the covenantal oikos, pistis and horkas
Also this is a thesis on sacramental ontology - and for divine economy to work we need to reclaim and rediscover the category of sacred (nod to JV) and how to embody this stance and aim, and returning to the sacred in Christianity in a very real way means a return to a sacramental reality. Vibes and voluntary association are not strong enough to undergird the divine economy.
Yes but how do we address the murderous competition still in the world as we embark on this transition. How do we address the flesh-driven economy of scarcity of prideful glory that drives the human heart or how can we train AI to be the goalie to keep out that predatory pride? Especially if it comes from inside of us!
Distributism ftw
' Heavenly Father '
After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. (Matthew 6:9-13 KJV)
For Logos, and Christos, and Telos, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen (Romans 11:36 KJV).
The Language of The Universe is Logos.
John 1:1 In the beginning was Logos, and Logos was with God, and Logos was God.
Christopher M. Langan, living god.
Reality is a language that is talking to itself about itself, hology.org μ
This is great! Giving me lots to think about as a small trades business owner. Exciting stuff
Thank you for the writing and your thoughts, sir. 🙏🏽